The Intellectually Dishonest Islamists

The guy in this video, Adnan Rashid, is supposed to be a professor. (If you are a student, I hope for your education's sake you can see beyond, what I believe to be his patent intellectual dishonesty.) The guy behind the camera, showing equal intellectual dishonesty, is our favourite promoter of idiocy; Islamist clown & international man of mythtery, Hamza "I'm not European, I'm Greek" Tzortzis.
Anyway the video is supposed to be a response to conversations which Adnan and Hamza had with various prominent atheists at the World Atheist Conference in Dublin, but as far as I can see they've just made stuff up!

http://youtu.be/QA9RnYpM7ME
If this is what passes for truth in Islam then it's little wonder that Islamists have no doubt that Islam is the 'religion of peace'.

Here's is the truth of what went down...
This is Adnan's original question to Richard Dawkins and Mr Dawkins, although initially partisan, genuinely truthful response.


http://youtu.be/TAyZaSI-5Gc
This is the Hamza/PZMyers conversation filmed by skyzthelimi7

Part 1http://youtu.be/z5rNtEdptaY
Part 2http://youtu.be/5HDhykqupxo
And, just by way of confirmation, this is exactly the same piece produced by 'Islamic Education and Research Academy' (If only that were true, eh?). It's recoded on the very expensive Sony camera that you can see in skyzthelimi7's video (which makes one wonder, where is the funding coming from?)http://youtu.be/3T5Pm7qLH50
Please feel compelled to nip along to Youtube click dislike on Adnan & Hamza'a video. It's not nearly as harsh a battering as it deserves but it's the best we can do :(
Oh, and if you like, you can click here to search Youtube for the same video - You will find a number of copies, reposted by Hamza's Islamist groupies (In an attempt, I presume, to spread their Porky pies, to as many viewers as possible.)

As a side thought here is intellectual dishonesty on this scale slanderous to those being misrepresented?

Also, If you've got the time, you can find Maryam Namazie's keynote speech on her blog post "Islamic inquisition" It's well worth the read. Maryam has also responded to the accusations Adnan made about her speech in his video above in he blog post "Sharia law does bear strange fruit."

Update - 13th June
Atheist Alliance International recorded Maryam's speech and the Q&A after it...

http://youtu.be/KqHUbK7yW6g

Really boys, did you think we would not spot such intellectual dishonesty?
Perhaps you think we're some easily fooled bronze age desert dweller, possibly called Muhammad, or something?

If you are Muslim, please do something about this group's deceptive nonsense, they are making it look like all Muslims are this dishonest.

If you want to see more of Hamza's wordplay and philosophical sophisms click here

Update 30th June
In response to the claims made by Adnan Rashid in his conversation with PZ myers above (about what the Qur'an says about embryology) here's an apparently properly researched, very enlightening video about the reality of the situation...

There are multiple and various links to much of the information he references in the video on the 'more' info box Youtube
Finally, here's a link to an academic refutation of the Quranic embryological claims
Ansering Islam - Embryo
http://youtu.be/ZDAgAW3q9c0(Thanks to @Boydsleator for finding and passing it to me.) This is one of the Too Many Questions

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No Time For Hamza

I've haven't yet seen what our very try-hard "International man of Mythtery" Hamza Tzortsiz said, just the tweet he posted about it...

I was given 2 minutes to speak to the World Atheist Convention & invited them to intellectually engage with us #wac11 @MuslimMatters @iERAuk

So, 2 minutes Hamza? Count your blessings baby; I wouldn't have given you that.
Why? Your message is meaningless.

I can’t say what description or definition those in attendance would give of atheism; each atheist states the one which she or he is most comfortable, but I'm quite sure some of them would mirror my view.

For me atheism means there is no god/allah/teapot.
I therefore do not care what your precious book says about the god it proposes.

If you or any other religious person (check that for polite!) attempt to tell me that you have the answers, written down centuries ago by a prophet from a god, I may only comprehend from that one, more, or all of the following....

A. You are a Charlatan making gold from the poor as all clergy.
B. You are Deluded and therefore dangerous.
C. You have found evidence for god in a book which was written so that you will find evidence for god! Really, what else did you expect to find in there?
D. You are promoting allegiance to a brutally restrictive authoritarian manifesto and claim it's perfect because it's written by your god - yes, the same god who does not exist.
E. You have convinced yourself there is an omnipotent god/allah/teapot without a shred of evidence. I find therefore that I am unable to trust you (or any other who believes)

So, I see no way we could come to agreement.
For me it is simple...
There is no god so, the manifesto you promote is based on the lie by which it is enforced.

You seem convinced (I say 'seem' because of point A. above) that this document is the way to perfect and peaceful society, whereas, I can only see it as the blueprint for an authoritarian dictatorship over obedient drones.

You see paradise, I see North Korea or, more precisely, I see Big Brother of George Orwell’s "1984"

You find comfort in the pretending, I see a paranormal prison whose purpose is to enslave humanity.

Don't be mad, Hamza, it's not personal and it's not exclusively Islam I feel this way about, it's all the fascist faiths.
However the unholy trinity Judaism, Christianity and Islam offend my DNA the most.

The only way you (or any religious person) can truly have dialogue with me is when you come to realise that your religion is merely another system of governance and, because there is no all-powerful deity, it has no divine right to rule the world.

So here we are at the end and I suppose there's only one thing left to say you offered me a platform recently to debate the points I'd made against your lecture.To which you still haven't responded by the way
I declined but have reconsidered; I am now provisionally willing to accept...

I will share a stage and debate with you when twelve months have elapsed in which no woman, man or child has been killed, maimed or otherwise physically or psychological persecuted or damaged because of Islam or Shariah law.
In case you were wondering, I consider circumcision to be maiming and prayer five times a day to be brainwashing!

Sadly, I guess you aren't going to be sending a taxi for me any time soon.

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